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or so the headlines all say.
What he actually said was he'd stop federal funding of all sites and shut down those near schools and daycares, etc. But still, good enough to make redneck knees jerk and those that still think it's 1953 and addicts are just criminals.
He also tongue slipped and at one point tied them to deaths of drug users. In fact by the records kept since they've opened over 55,000 overdoses in safe injections sites were prevented.

The entire subject of Harm Reduction has become such a hot issue it's openly cursed as "woke" and scared the BC NDP into distancing themselves from the Chief Medical Officer for even suggesting enlarging 'safe supply' measures.

Had to convince a local guy today that you don't just walk in in Vancouver and the govt hands you free cocaine. He believed exactly that, as many do. I told him the govt doesn't do that, but there was a volunteer group that did test stuff you brought in an give you clean cocaine with no charge, but they got raided and charged with trafficking a couple months ago, but he wouldn't believe that.
As so many people actually believe that even though they know f*cking well that fentanyl is what's killing people, the safe supply and injection sites caused deaths to increase... they're handing out free fentanyl?
It doesn't even make sense, but then again what gut issue has to. That's why PP and other Tories will only speak to gut issues and never any policies of real political relevance.

Policy not grounded on facts based in evidence is persecution. PP has a Jihad vs the poor and Eby says he will defend injection site to whatever administration wins in the next election. If the next are zealots immune to facts he will be unable to parlay. PP wants poor people dead as they are seen as a burden not a responsibility. The base that supports PP eats his talking points up because it is exactly what they already subscribe to. They want to be lied to.

When I heard him say that electricians take lighting out of the sky and put it in wires for us to use in our homes, more than once, I knew he was not a serous person.

testerone wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:14 pm The entire subject of Harm Reduction has become such a hot issue it's openly cursed as "woke" and scared the BC NDP into distancing themselves from the Chief Medical Officer for even suggesting enlarging 'safe supply' measures.

I think the idea of harm reduction is a good one, but, it's missing a key component. Let me clarify. It's a much better situation when addicts are taking methadone and suboxone and drugs at safe injection sites than street narcotics. However, the addicts are still addicted to those drugs.
I suggest that another component should be added to harm reduction. Counselors , social workers, and doctors could be working with addicts to assist them in getting clean from all drugs including methadone and suboxone. Addicts could be assisted with getting into detox programs, treatment programs, counseling, and Narcotics Anonymous or Alcoholics Anonymous.
If addicts endlessly stay on methadone and suboxone the only people who benefit are the doctors and pharmacists. The end goal for addicts is living clean from all drugs. I sobered up May 23, 2015.

Diminishing returns. Some people are not able to get off and others will be constantly regressing. There will be SOME that can but there is not defined criteria as to who is a viable candidate. Meth is CHEAP and isn't a perfect solution but it is a consistent one. Consoling and therapy is case by case and requires manpower and skill sets that are already in high demand.

Dr Strangelove wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:48 pm Diminishing returns. Some people are not able to get off and others will be constantly regressing.

Unfortunately most addicts don't recover. I count myself to be very lucky. From my point of view the investment would be worth every penny with more saved lives. The current harm reduction model isn't working, the OD rate in BC is unacceptable. Society does not place a high value on addicts. It is what it is.

Agreed but not just BC, all of Canada is in the same boat BC is just the front line. Also, the response from BC is the most mature of all the provinces but is still no where near the response required. This should be a national health emergency but the premiers who are mostly conservative will not lift a finger to help. National pharmcare isn't a thing so there is no coordinated federal response.

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Actually it is.
They're OD-ing from fentanyl in dirty drugs. Safe supply does no give out fentanyl or laced drugs.
Since the crisis was declared in 2016 over 55,000 users who OD'd in safe injection sites did not die.

So if their not dying from safe supply or in supervised injection sites how do you conclude Harm reduction is a failure? It has achieved that goal of haem reduction.
The fact users are in your face and still dying is another story. There's 3 more Pillars to the program

I think 90% of the ranting against harm reduction is for people who never went near the back alleys so as purposefully avoid seeing, then suddenly there they were in your face. Forcing them to see drug addictions is a problem far more prevalent serious than they (wanted to) believe.
The 4 Pillars approach is the only way to possibly succeed. No one's put any better options other than the ranters wanting to go back to 100 years of criminalizing, stigmatizing users that didn't work and caused the crisis. As if bashing their head against the wall wouldsuddenly work if they only bashed their heads harder.

This is the carbon tax argument redux. They don't have a viable solution for that either and refuse anything that takes action on the issue.

testerone wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:35 pm Actually it is.
They're OD-ing from fentanyl in dirty drugs. Safe supply does no give out fentanyl or laced drugs.
Since the crisis was declared in 2016 over 55,000 users who OD'd in safe injection sites did not die

I probably should have said that harm reduction is not working well enough. Harm reduction(safe injection sites, methadone, suboxone) is only part of the solution. Harm reduction is better than no support at all. The end piece of the solution is missing. Addicts/alcoholics need help getting off drugs. That's missing in harm reduction. You can't get clean by using drugs.