There are no good billionaires
- Dr Strangelove
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Re: There are no good billionaires
The AI Pivot (0:50 - 2:15): Despite being known for rockets, SpaceX filed under industry code 7370 (computer programming and data processing). Their S1 filing indicates that 85% of their total addressable market (TAM) is now tied to AI and data centers, rather than space exploration or communication.
Financial Red Flags (5:08 - 8:05): SpaceX merged with xAI in early 2026. While the Starlink satellite business is profitable (generating $4.4 billion in operating profit in 2025), the company as a whole reported a $5 billion loss for 2025 due to the heavy financial burden of xAI, which is losing massive amounts of money daily.
Market Skepticism (5:08 - 6:28): The S&P 500 committee denied SpaceX's request for fast-track inclusion due to a lack of recent profitability. However, the NASDAQ did allow it, forcing some passive funds into the stock.
Concerns over Space Data Centers (12:13 - 14:57): The company plans to launch a "space cloud" of up to 1 million satellites. The video highlights significant engineering and economic challenges, including the massive difficulty of heat dissipation in space, risks from solar radiation, and the potential for increased space debris.
Conclusion:
The creator suggests that xAI is essentially a "Trojan horse" used to secure public funding by hiding a struggling AI business behind the successful brand of a rocket company. The general consensus mentioned is that while the stock may initially spike, it faces a long-term risk of grinding downwards.
This is 2008 housing crisis on steroids and ketamine. Rolling in bad assets in with good and selling it at top dollar is why the market tanked then and that was just ONE SEGMENT OF THE ECONOMY. This has its fingers in EVERY ASPECT of the economy. The bigger they are...
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Re: There are no good billionaires
It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
Cynicism is acceptance
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Re: There are no good billionaires
Reliance on Starship: The speaker argues that the entire SpaceX valuation hinges on Starship, which he describes as vaporware that hasn't met its promises (1:25-2:12). He expresses concerns regarding FAA regulations, the lack of a safe abort mode over inhabited land, and the environmental/sonic noise impact of frequent launches (2:15-3:45).
Questionable Business Model: The video highlights that SpaceX filed as a data processing company rather than a space company (11:41-11:54). The creator disputes the $30 trillion total addressable market valuation, arguing that it assumes every person in the first world would pay significant annual fees for services like Starlink or Grok, which he claims are either inferior to existing fiber options or underperforming (12:28-14:16).
Profitability Concerns: The speaker claims that none of Musk's companies are truly profitable without government subsidies and that SpaceX has a history of significant net losses (0:20-0:30, 19:16-19:33). He suggests that the company is effectively "burning money" and that its valuation is driven by meme-stock-like speculation rather than sustainable earnings (17:46-18:27).
Critique of AI and Ethics: The video features a segment criticizing Grok and XAI, claiming they have performed poorly while consuming vast amounts of capital (14:44-15:45). The creator also questions the moral character of Musk, citing his own interactions with the Grok AI model regarding humanitarian aid and the impact of his business decisions (8:15-11:37).
The entire US economy has transformed into a bored ape meme and worth even less.
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Re: There are no good billionaires
BREAKING: The average American is now closer to Jeff Bezos in net worth than Jeff Bezos is to Elon Musk, per MW
The typical American household has a median net worth of roughly $192,900. Elon Musk’s fortune sits at approximately $1.2 Trillion, while Jeff Bezos has a net worth of about $247 Billion. The distance between Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk is a staggering $953 Billion, whereas the distance between the typical American and Jeff Bezos is roughly $246.8 Million.
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Re: There are no good billionaires
The Investment Logic: Much like Tesla in its early days, investors are betting on potential rather than current balance sheets. SpaceX is viewed as a powerhouse across three sectors: aerospace (Falcon 9/Starship), satellite communications (Starlink), and artificial intelligence (xAI) (5:25 - 6:44).
Financial Realities: While Starlink is profitable, the overall company is currently operating at a loss, largely due to heavy investments in xAI and the massive R&D costs of the Starship program (7:42 - 8:46).
Existential Risks: The company acknowledges significant future risks, including the reliance on unproven technology, dependency on U.S. government contracts, and a complex web of regulatory and legal challenges (9:17 - 13:59).
Authoritarian Control: The structure of the IPO ensures Elon Musk retains roughly 82% control through "super" Class B shares, meaning he cannot be removed as head of the company without his consent, even if shareholders disagree with his leadership (14:06 - 16:07).
Ultimately, the video characterizes SpaceX as a high-stakes, generational gamble that requires investors to look ahead by decades, not quarters, as there are no immediate plans for dividends and the company remains deeply intertwined with the risks and ambitions of its founder (16:07 - 17:09).
It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
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- al_keda
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Re: There are no good billionaires
I might short the stock, see if I can make more than the IPO did initially.
But shorting against Musk is usually throwing away money, as is buy and hold. He is just too unpredictable.
But shorting against Musk is usually throwing away money, as is buy and hold. He is just too unpredictable.